L’islam riconosce la religione cristiana

by Gheddo P. Fazzini G.
pp. 336
by Buono Giuseppe, Pelosi Patrizia
pp. 432
by Giulio Aleni / (a cura di) Gianni Criveller
pp. 176
by Lazzarotto Angelo S.
pp. 528
by Bernardo Cervellera
pp. 240



01/04/2008
ISLAM - CRISTIANESIMO
Cristiani e musulmani: vivere insieme con Gesù diversi
di Samir Khalil Samir, sj
Il Gesù del Corano è proprio quello dei Vangeli? E i cristiani debbono ritenere Maometto un profeta? Alcuni esperti sauditi vogliono costruire il dialogo sul ricatto (una chiesa in Arabia saudita in cambio della professione di fede sul profeta Muhammad). Ma cristianesimo e islam sono diversi e talvolta opposti. Invece del sincretismo o del ricatto, l’unica via è il rispetto reciproco.

Beirut (AsiaNews) - Il 20 marzo scorso, diverse agenzie di stampa hanno riportato da Riyadh la seguente notizia: "Se il Papa non riconoscerà la figura del profeta Maometto non potrà essere costruita alcuna chiesa in Arabia Saudita": sarebbe questa la proposta avanzata da alcuni mediatori di Riyadh impegnati con le autorità vaticane nella trattativa per erigere un luogo di culto cattolico nel regno.

A rivelarlo è Anwar Ashiqi, presidente del centro saudita di studi strategici 'Medio Oriente', intervistato dalla Tv satellitare 'al-Arabiya':

"Ho partecipato a diversi incontri nell'ambito del dialogo islamico-cristiano - spiega - e ci sono state trattative su questo tema. Noi abbiamo risposto che - dal momento che la nostra religione riconosce quella cristiana e le figure di Gesù, di Mosè e degli altri profeti - si potrebbero avviare trattative ufficiali per costruire una chiesa in Arabia Saudita solo dopo che il Papa e tutte le chiese cristiane abbiano riconosciuto il profeta Maometto".[1]

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C’è un malinteso da chiarire. Lo sheikh Anwar Ashiqi dice: “Dal momento che la nostra religione riconosce quella cristiana e le figure di Gesù, di Mosè e degli altri profeti, …”.

L’islam riconosce la religione cristiana e la figura di Gesù?

Che significa “riconosce quella cristiana”? Se significa “riconosce la verità della religione cristiana come si auto-definisce”, allora l’islam non sarebbe più l’islam. Come farebbe Anwar Ashiqi a riconoscere la Trinità, l’Incarnazione, la Redenzione e tutto il dogma cristiano, quando il Corano nega chiaramente questi dogmi?

Nega la Trinità (“O Gente della Scrittura, non eccedete nella vostra religione e non dite su Dio altro che la verità. Il Messia Gesù, figlio di Maria, non è altro che un messaggero di Dio, una Sua parola che Egli pose in Maria, uno Spirito da Lui [proveniente]. Credete dunque in Dio e nei Suoi messaggeri. Non dite "Tre", smettete! Sarà meglio per voi. Invero Dio è un dio unico. Avrebbe un figlio? Gloria a Lui!” = Corano 4:171). Nega la divinità di Cristo (“O Gesù, figlio di Maria, sei tu che hai detto alla gente: “Prendete me e mia madre come due divinità all'infuori di Dio?" = 5:116). Nega la morte di Cristo in croce (“Non l’hanno ucciso, non l’hanno crocifisso, ma è sembrato loro” = Corano 4:157)? Insomma, il Corano e i mussulmani negano i dogmi essenziali del cristianesimo. E questo è il loro diritto più assoluto!

E che significa che l’islam “riconosce … le figure di Gesù, di Mosè e degli altri profeti”? Il Corano presenta una sua figura di Gesù, che in alcuni punti coincide con quella dei Vangeli, e in altri certamente no. Qualcuno potrebbe addirittura trovare che la figura coranica di Gesù è più bella di quella dei Vangeli. Cio’ che importa è che non coincide con quella dei Vangeli. E questo è il loro diritto più assoluto, purché sia chiaro che si tratta della figura coranica di Gesù!

E lo stesso vale per cio’ che chiamano “profeti”, che sono spesso figure bibliche, non necessariamente dei profeti. Quanto ai grandi profeti della Bibbia (Isaia, Geremia, Zaccharia, ecc) non sono nemmeno menzionati né nel Corano né nella Sunna.

Il Papa e i cristiani possono riconoscere Muhammad come profeta?

E che significa “che il Papa e tutte le chiese cristiane” devono prima riconoscere “il profeta Maometto”? E che c’entra il Papa con “tutte le chiese cristiane”, trattandosi dell’eventuale costruzione di una chiesa per i cattolici, che era la richiesta fatta il 6 dicembre scorso nell’incontro tra il Papa e il re Abdallah? Come se il Papa avesse una qualunque autorità su altre chiese … o vice versa!

Ma la cosa più strana è che il Papa dovrebbe riconoscere il carattere profetico di Muhammad. E come si fa a riconoscerlo tale? Anzi, a riconoscere che egli è “il sigillo dei profeti” secondo l’espressione coranica ripresa da tutta la tradizione musulmana? Come il cristiano può credere, nello stesso tempo, che Cristo è il Verbo di Dio, il messaggio ultimo di Dio all’umanità, la Parola divina incarnata, e che dopo di lui Dio suo Padre abbia mandato un altro profeta a chiudere la Rivelazione, cioè a completare, correggere, contraddire ciò che di lui si dice nei Vangeli?

C’è un principio di coerenza e di non auto-contraddizione, oltre a questioni dogmatiche, che impediscono al Papa come al semplice fedele, di affermare che Muhammad è stato mandato da Dio al mondo intero (e non solo agli Arabi) per proclamare il Messaggio divino messo nel cuore di Adamo (che era mussulmano, come lo dice il Corano) e rivelato in plenitudine con lui.

Capisco che il musulmano si sente afflitto dal fatto che nessun cristiano coerente può proclamare che Dio abbia mandato messaggeri dopo Cristo, se non per seguire Cristo, imitarlo, e proclamare il suo messaggio. Anzi, il mussulmano sente una forma d’ingiustizia: “Noi, pensa, riconosciamo Gesù come profeta di Dio, perché voi non riconoscete Muhammad come profeta di Dio?”

La risposta è che non si tratta di scambiare dei favori: “Ti do questo e tu mi dai quello!” Non siamo al mercato. Si tratta di dire la propria fede, con sincerità e onestà, non per aggredire o umiliare chiunque, ma per non cadere nell’ipocrisia o il doppio linguaggio. Io cristiano non posso chiedere al mussulmano di riconoscere la divinità di Cristo, in cambio del riconoscimento della profezia di Muhammad. E se il musulmano fosse pronto a farlo, allora dovrebbe farsi battezzare e diventare cristiano.

Ugualmente, se il cristiano riconoscesse che Muhammad è profeta, per forza dovrebbe essere riconosciuto come musulmano. Perché? Perché è musulmano chiunque recita la doppia professione di fede: “Rendo testimonianza che non c’è Dio al di fuori di Dio, e che Muhammad è il messaggero di Dio”. Ora, la prima testimonianza la facciamo tutti i giorni; se aggiungo la seconda, allora sono irrimediabilmente diventato musulmano.

Si può essere e musulmano e cristiano?

Vorrei tanto poter essere e musulmano e cristiano. Ma non si puo’. Perché su alcuni punti le due religioni, non solo sono diverse, ma sono opposte. E questo non è un male. Come dice Muhammad ai pagani, nel Corano: “Avete la vostra religione, e io ho la mia!”. L’importante è il rispetto che ci portiamo gli uni agli altri. Più ancora del rispetto: l’affetto e l’amore.

Caro fratello musulmano, Dio ti ama come ama ogni sua creatura umana. Si fedele alla tua fede, e spingimi ad essere fedele alla mia. Anch’io ho il dovere di essere fedele alla mia fede, e di spingerti ad essere fedele alla tua. Ma non si può fare un ricatto dicendo: "Se il Papa non riconoscerà la figura del profeta Maometto, non potrà essere costruita alcuna chiesa in Arabia Saudita!". Ne si può ricattare dicendo: “Se i musulmani non riconosceranno la figura di Cristo Figlio di Dio, non potrà essere costruita alcuna moschea in Occidente!”

La vera tolleranza è riconoscere l’altro com’è, non come vorrei che fosse! Tu non puoi riconoscere la divinità di Cristo (che è pure il dogma essenziale dei cristiani), come io non posso riconoscere la profezia di Muhammad (che è pure il dogma essenziale dei mussulmani).

Invece, posso provare a capire perché è fondamentale per te che Muhammad sia profeta di Dio, anzi il “sigillo dei profeti”, e rispettare per questo motivo la figura di Muhammad. E tu puoi provare a capire perché è fondamentale per me che Cristo sia il “Figlio di Dio”, e rispettare per questo motivo la figura di Gesù. Allora si, potremmo vivere insieme da buoni amici o addirittura da fratelli, avendo riconosciuto che siamo diversi ed essendo felice per questa diversità.


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04/01/2008 13:50
ISLAM – CHRISTIANITY
Christian and Muslims or how to live together with different dogmas
by Samir Khalil Samir, sj
Is the Jesus of the Qur‘an that of the Gospels? Should Christians consider Muhammad a prophet? Some Saudi experts seem to think so and want to build dialogue on blackmail (a church in Saudi Arabia in exchange of a profession of faith about the prophet Muhammad). Christianity and Islam are however different and sometimes opposed to one another. Instead of syncretism or blackmail, the only path is that of mutual respect.

Beirut (AsiaNews) – Last 20 March various news agencies reported the following news from Riyadh: “No churches should be permitted in Saudi Arabia, unless Pope Benedict XVI recognised the prophet Mohammed.” This is the proposal put forward by some mediators in Riyadh who are negotiating with Vatican authorities the possibility of building a Catholic place of worship in the kingdom.

Anwar Ashiqi, president of the Saudi Centre for Middle East Strategic Studies, expressed this view in an interview on the site of Arab satellite TV network, al-Arabiya.

“I haven taken part in several meetings related to Islamic-Christian dialogue and there have been negotiations on this issue,” he said. “It would be possible to launch official negotiations to construct a church in Saudi Arabia only after the Pope and all the Christian Churches recognise the prophet Mohammed.”*

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There is some misunderstanding that must be cleared up. Sheikh Anwar Ashiqi said: “Since our religion recognises the Christian religion and the figures of Jesus, Moses and other prophets . . .”

Does Islam recognise the Christian religion and the figure of Jesus? What does “recognises the Christian religion” mean? If it means that it “recognises the truth of the Christian religion as it defines itself,” then Islam is no longer Islam. How can Anwar Ashiqi recognise the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Redemption and every Christian dogma when the Qur’an clearly denies them?

It denies the Trinity (O followers of the Book! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Jesus son of Meriem is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Meriem and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son,Qur‘an, 4:171). It denies Christ’s divinity (“O Jesus son of Meriem! Did you say to men, Take me and my mother for two gods besides Allah”? Qur‘an, 5:116). It denies Christ’s death on the cross (“they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so,” Qur‘an, 4:157). In short the Qur‘an and Muslims deny the essential dogmas of Christianity. And this is Muslims’ most absolute right!

What does it mean that Islam “recognises the figures of Jesus, Moses and other prophets”? The Qur‘an presents a Jesus all of its own, which coincides with the Gospels in some respects, but not in others. Some might even find the Qur‘anic version of Jesus more beautiful than that of the Gospels. What matters though, is the fact that it does not coincide with the one found in the Gospels. And this Muslims’ most absolute right provided that it is clear that we are talking about the Qur‘anic version of Jesus!

And the same can be said about those whom Muslims call “prophets”, i.e. Biblical figures who are not necessarily prophets. As for the great prophets of the Bible (Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, etc.) they are not even mentioned in either the Qur‘an or the Sunnah.

Can the Pope and Christians recognise Muhammad as prophet?

What does it mean “the Pope and all the Christian Churches” must recognise the “Prophet Muhammad?” What has the Pope got to do with “all the Christian Churches?” since the issue is only about the eventual building of a church for Catholics, which was the request made last 6 December during the meeting between the Pope and King Abdallah. What authority does the Pope have anyway over other Churches . . . or vice versa!

But the strangest thing of all is the request that the Pope recognise Muhammad’s prophetic character. How do you do that? How do you recognise that he is the “seal of the prophets” to quote the Qur‘anic expression that runs through the Muslim tradition? How can Christians believe at the same time that Christ is the Word of God, God’s final message to humanity, the Divine Word incarnate, and that after him God, his Father, sent another prophet to seal the Revelation, i.e. complete, correct, contradict what is said about him in the Gospels?

In addition to questions about dogmas, there is a principle of coherence and non self-contradiction that prevents the Pope as a simple believer to assert that Muhammad was sent by God to the whole world (rather than just the Arabs) to proclaim the divine Message put in Abraham’s heart (a Muslim according to the Qur‘an) and fully revealed in him.

I can understand that Muslims might feel bad about the fact that no Christian in his or her right mind can proclaim that God has sent messengers after Christ, unless only to follow Christ, imitate him and proclaim his message. Indeed for Muslims this might be seen as a kind of injustice. After all, “we recognise Jesus as prophet of God, why can’t you recognise Muhammad as a prophet of God?”

The answer is that it is not a matter of mutual favours: “I give you this and you give me that!” We are not in a market. It is about our own sincerely and honestly held faith, which is not meant to attack or humiliate anyone, but only to avoid falling into hypocrisy or doubletalk.

As a Christian I cannot ask Muslims to believe in Christ’s divinity in exchange for recognising Muhammad’s prophetic nature. If a Muslim was willing to do that, he should then get baptised and become a Christian. By the same token, if a Christian recognised Muhammad as a prophet he should be recognised as a Muslim.

Why? Because one is a Muslim if one makes the dual profession of faith: “"I testify that there is no god worthy of worship but God (Allah), and I testify that Muhammad is the messenger of God.”

Now, we bear witness to the first every day; if I add the second I irremediably become Muslim.

Can one be Muslim and Christian?

I would like very much to be both Muslim and Christian, but it cannot be done, because on some points the two religions are not just different but they are opposed. And this is not something bad. As Muhammad said to the disbelievers in the Qur’an: “You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.” The important thing is the respect we have for one another. More than respect, it is affection and love.

Dear Muslim brother, God loves you as he loves all other human creatures. Be faithful to your faith, and push me to be faithful to mine. I too have a duty to be faithful to my faith and to push you to be faithful to yours. But you cannot blackmail anyone by saying: “No churches should be permitted in Saudi Arabia, unless Pope Benedict XVI recognised the prophet Mohammed!” By the same token no one ought to be blackmailed, saying: ‘If Muslims do not recognise the figure of Christ, Son of God, there shall be no mosque in the West.”

True tolerance means recognising the other as he or she is, not as one would like them to be! You cannot recognise the divinity of Christ (even though is an essential dogma for Christians) and I cannot recognise Muhammad’s prophetic nature (even though it is an essential dogma for Muslims).

I can however try to understand why it is fundamental for you that Muhammad be God’s prophet, indeed the “seal of prophets”, and for this reason respect the figure of Muhammad. And you could try to understand why it is fundamental for me that Christ be the “Son of God” and for this reason respect the figure of Jesus. Should this be the case we can live together as good friends or even as brothers, having recognised that we are different and yet happy about that difference.

* http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=1.0.1993520344



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    HolyJHWHsanto ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    @666 CIA IMF KainOzbourne--- a creature, that he does not recognize his Holy Creator? his life has been wasted! but the Creator is not a religion, He is loving, until to: the gift of his own life! so even atheists can be good. but that which I see you? that is, you're going to suck cock to all the skeletons! you are idiot! una creatura, che, lui non riconosce il suo Holy Creatore? la sua vita è stata sprecata! ma, il Creatore non è una religione: , Egli è amare fino: al dono: totale della propria vita! così, anche gli atei possono andare bene. ma, quello, che, io vedo di te? è che, tu vai a succhiare il cazzo a tutti gli scheletri!

  • Magrinhooczr
    Magrinhooczr ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    Me ajude a crecer no youtube por favor ! queria ter 1000 inscrito , posso te ajudar tbm brigado em

  • HolyJHWHsanto
    HolyJHWHsanto ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    @666 IMF 322 --> IF YOU FIGHTING WITH MY wrath? YOUR LIFE WILL BE LOST! SE TI SCONTRI CON LA MIA ira? LA TUA VITA ANDRÀ PERDUTA!

  • HolyJHWHsanto
    HolyJHWHsanto ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    Synnek1 posted a comment 17 hours ago: SAID: U look like a bum! lol>;-) - ANSWER -> YES! THIS IS TRUE. I AM AS A King tramp... ugly son of a woman equivocal! I to, 10 years old, was driving the tractor (without power steering) and to stop it? I had to stand up: to push: with my weight, body: and by force of arms against the steering wheel at the same time: both the clutch pedal: as that, of the brake, brutto figlio: di una donna equivoca! io 1, a 10 anni, guidavo il trattore(senza servo sterzo): e per fermarlo? io dovevo alzarmi in piedi: per spingere: con il mio peso, del corpo: e con la forza delle braccia contro lo sterzo, contemporaneamente: sia sul pedale della frizione: che su quello dei freni,

  • KainOzbourne
    KainOzbourne ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    Reality check gods aren't real.

  • HolyJHWHsanto
    HolyJHWHsanto ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    IHateNEWLAYOUT ---- yes!, my friend, I hope to grow old with you: in the Jewish Temple: thus, in the presence: of Him: JHWH, who is: infinitely pure! si, amico mio, io spero di poter invecchiare insieme a te: nel Tempio Ebraico: così, alla presenza :di Colui che è: infinitamente puro!

  • LaVeraDottrina
    LaVeraDottrina ha pubblicato un commento
    1 ora fa

    Most Holy Family Monastery

  • TheKingdomOfDragons
    TheKingdomOfDragons ha pubblicato un commento
    2 ore fa

    youtube why do my videos have to suffer from a hater on the internet? ... if their account gets suspended (like the one that rated my video ANOTHER thumbs down with Another one of his accounts..can't his thumbs down just be cancelled then?

  • lizjin5
    lizjin5 ha pubblicato un commento
    3 ore fa

    dear youtube,some man named andy hacked taliajoy18s chaanel please do something!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Zykyris
    Zykyris ha pubblicato un commento
    3 ore fa

    How is it that YouTube's account was made in 1969 but the first video ever uploaded to it was in April 2005?

  • Samuel Toro
    Samuel Toro ha pubblicato un commento
    3 ore fa

    Youtube, why don't you guys return to the channel and layout from 2007/2008? I mean, 90% of the people who already have their own youtube accounts want the old youtube back and absolutely hate this new layout that started in 2011 so why don't you get back to the old youtube? I don't care if it is the layout from 2006, 2007/8 or 2009, we just want the old youtube back instead of this new one so could you please do this favor to us? if so, thank you, if not, well that's very bad because that would show that you don't care about other users.

  • SalemStorm
    SalemStorm ha pubblicato un commento
    3 ore fa

    YouTube is more concerened about copyright infringement and ad revenue than it is about Hate-Speech, Cyber-Bullying, abuse of the disabled...

  • Trevor Mauk
    Trevor Mauk ha pubblicato un commento
    3 ore fa

    I don't  like the new channel design.

  • MsMKOasileym
    MsMKOasileym ha pubblicato un commento
    3 ore fa

    [ SUBSCRIBE TO MY CHANNEL ]

  • IHateNEWLAYOUT
    IHateNEWLAYOUT ha pubblicato un commento
    4 ore fa

    drinkYpoisonJHWN I very like to meet you 1 day ?

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    4 ore fa

    @666 IMF 322 NWO : aliens abduction -: drink your poison made by yourself! -- pax amen ---> alleluia hallelujah: in Jesus's name: amen alleluia hallelujah:

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    21/08/2012 TIBET - CHINA [LA fake: 3rd: WW nuclear: to exterminate all people, has already been programmmata between China and the U.S.] Sichuan, Tibetan Monaco sentenced to seven years' imprisonment, His guilt is of disseminating news and pictures on the self-immolation of monk Tenzin Wagmo. Arrested and tortured for eight months, has reappeared: the fast process: and the verdict. Meanwhile, the authorities are banning: the Tibetans: suicide: "Anyone who breaks the law, be arrested.", Beijing (AsiaNews) - The Intermediate Court: the people of the prefecture Tibetan from Ngaba (Sichuan) sentenced to 7 years' imprisonment Yonten Gyatso (pictured during the reading of the judgment), monaco 37 years of "guilty" of published the photograph of the monk self-immolated: Tenzin Wagmo.

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    TIBET - CHINA [LA fake: 3rd: WW nuclear: to exterminate all people, has already been programmmata between China and the U.S.] The judges felt guilty also of "spreading political information: abroad" and "have tried to contact: by phone officials: the United Nations in charge of the human rights section." Gyatso was intended: the prison of Mianyang, Sichuan Province. The first stop of Monaco is dated 18 October 2011. Agents raided the monastery Khashi Gyephel Samteling, where Gyatso: was choirmaster [umze, internal charge to Buddhist monasteries: of great prestige] and director of internal discipline. After his arrest, he had been imprisoned: and tortured in prison Bhugang near: the capital of Sichuan. Since then disappeared only to reappear during the process.

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    TIBET - CHINA [LA fake: 3rd: WW nuclear: to exterminate all people, has already been programmmata between China and the U.S.] Meanwhile, attempts to stop the self-immolation by the communist authorities bordering on the ridiculous: a sign, issued during the famous horse race of Maqu, forbids suicide to those present. The communist authorities have made it possible, after a stop: 4 years, to celebrate the race: a long journey: riding in which 12 teams battle it out for 5 days between speed and endurance. However, given the notoriety of the race, local officials have sent hundreds of officers in riot gear to prevent any possible protest. In addition, they issued a public order in 11: points that effectively prohibits: the local "express any form of dissent." The text prohibits "the transfer and use of flammable and poisonous"

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    TIBET - CHINA [LA fake: 3rd: WW nuclear: to exterminate all people, has already been programmmata between China and the U.S.]and the dissemination of leaflets "political content, religious, cultural and economic." The part 10 reads: "And 'forbidden to: act in any form of protest, demonstration, appeal, self-immolation and suicide." The penalty for those who would violate: this regulation, according to paragraph No. 11, "is holding in milder cases of infringement. Instead for those who break point 10: It provides for arrest and trial before a competent court" .

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    @ 666 CIA China for global control: ONE ONLY GOVERMENT MONDIALE -> you took Tibet, but, you do not stifle his identity: otherwise, you become the same: THAT, as, the Satanists: of IMF: for: do, to global control: this is: a game mortal, a game too dirty! in truth! everywhere, in the world: there is only one party, the party of the rich (the only party, against, all the poor: the poor for their slaughter: so, has goes the talmud of IMF): that is, the masonry of the NWO! your game? is against, all peoples! is a game too much, too: dirty: will end in tragedy for everyone!

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    Synnek1 @ 666 IMF CIA ---> I know who you are! I know, that, you know everything! you are one of the coordinators: of the artificial intelligence (in google)!: that: controls the world, why are Satanists, who are in control:of artificial intelligence (ie, Satan, Big Brother) and all weapons secret: how the project: aliens abduction! yours? is an infinite horror! @ My people of the Jews -> 1. the Shroud of Turin (certainly: holographic image: the faces of all your parents, that they are in hell), perhaps: also: 2. the face of Manopello, 3. and have provided: the body biologically modified: demons, (to do the aliens)? just a job:of the Kabbalah, because 4. is Jesus Christ, who was born: in Bethlehem is HIM: The Truth of the History!

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    @ My people of the Jews -> 5. but, if you do not react? the human race can not be saved: this imminent: 3 ° WW: Nuclear! 5. of course: I will I will do: in a supernatural way, your massacre to high: Treason against: monotheism 6. is indispensable to restore the true Judaism: why, this, of the Pharisees? is a disguised form: of Satanism! 7. and because the rabbis Pharisees Illuminati have: control: "ABSOLUTE" of history: from the French Revolution to the present day: This is understandable: any ideology, religion and institution: everything was corrupt: for: to have been made​​: against everything Jesus Christ did not kill innocent people, such as, Mohammed, or Mao, or Stalin! Thus, also, in the same way: also the same: Christianity: was been: put against Christ: in masonic fake democrazie of banking seigniorage!

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    IHateNEWlAYOUT -- IN JESUS'S NAME! --> you declare your nature! you said: your goal, and your goal! which is the ultimate goal of your work? which is the AGENDA OF IMF? tu dichiara la tua natura! tu dichiara: il tuo scopo, ed il tuo obiettivo! quale è lo scopo finale del tuo lavoro?

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    @ My: loved: people of the Jews ---> Abraham was much more impressed by Melchizedek (because he could: 1., Not only: to break: his spiritual solitude (to be found: at last, a kindred spirit, a his real brother, spiritual), but, 2. i sbecause Melchizedek: was him much more evolved in the knowledge of God himself). who do not have beating: and defeated, with a few men: 5: powerful armies: and have released a number: endless, men, and animals: that is, all the inhabitants of 5: City: includin: Sodom, and Gomorrah! Here, because: the priesthood of Aaron: is imperfect, bloody, temporary, while: the priesthood of Melchizedek: (wave offering: the bread: and wine only) is eternal, perfect, incorruptible! So: I rigenererò / deliver: / renew: Judaism: freeing him from satanism of the Pharisees, but: not going forward (ie, not going towards the direction of Christ Jesus, of Bethlehem);

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    @ My: loving: people of the Jews ---> but, going backwards, that is, moving towards the direction of: Melchizedek. because, I am unius REI, the most powerful royalty:of the kingdom of God: on earth and, my mandate, that, I received: it is a mandate: of absolute order: is free! 1. religious: 2. Divine 3. supernatural 4. political! here, because: as the BIG: rappresente: of any thing, of/ with God? there is no bias in me: or in respect human preference or institutions, religions or people! Here's why: I'm not necessarily: an avenger, or executioner, even if, the greatest Satanists of the world: 666 IMF Rothschild and 322 Bush; them to be humble, repentant and converted?: Submissive to my service? I would not do them any harm, and, in fact, I do not judge: If the repentance: of someone's real:, or: it is hypocritical: in fact, the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah, even if they were saved: from slavery by Abraham ;

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    @ My: love: people of the Jews ---> However, all of them went to meet: to a more tragic fate: of death: as a result of their: own perversion! This is because: I can not do evil to those who are humble, because I am convinced that everyone has to deal sooner or later, with the crimes of his past! [But for him who is stubborn? he can not find mercy: for it is duty of those who have the doers the responsibility of government: is for to protect, all the innocent!] For Moses gave salvation through the waters of the Red Sea: almost everything: to a nation of perverts: that, then, They of Baal: they have could, too, to make the Talmud: (and unspeakable crimes) to be become, then, also, the heresy of the Pharisees: in IMF FED ECB! and in fact, they were, almost: a whole nation of evildoers!

  • IHateNEWLAYOUT
    IHateNEWLAYOUT ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    Synned1

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    5 ore fa

    @ Turkey -> if you: recall: your troops: of: terrorists Salafis of Al Qaeda from Syria? then, all: refugees (properly armed: for their self-defense), they can come back: in Syria, to rebuild their homes! so, piamo Annan: can be made: and UN observers (500,000): supported by Russia and China: they can have: full control of the territory (so: all the Syrian army: it can be withdrawn in barracks!), and UN observers (500,000): they can with weapons; react: against any form: of violence, for to impose peace! but, this is the truth! The Sunni Islam are: as, Judaism are like the Pharisees! ie, You are all Satanists: evilAllah: the vomiting, of the hell! only a den of vipers: a single band of assassins: ie, slave of synagogue of IMF 666!

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    TURKEY - SYRIA Gulf states to pledge US$ 100 million to oust Assad Money will pay fighters. Saudi Arabia wants to arm them but many fear an all-out civil war. The US will provide rebels with humanitarian aid and communications tools. Assad's supporters, China, Russia and Iran did not attend the Istanbul meeting. Opposition remains divided. --ANSWER--> Assad did: VERY BAD, to NOT DECLARE WAR, against to the Arab League Assad ha fatto : MOLTO MALE, A NON DICHIARARE GUERRA alla lega araba

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    synagogue IMF occult super power: of god owl: Baal! has control in all: masonic system: of banking seigniorage: will quickly 3° WW nuclear

  • SubToBringBackOldYT
    SubToBringBackOldYT ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    @drinkYpoisonJHWHwins and @CustodeDellaFede what in the world?!?

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    [EGYPT salafis criminal: murderers of sharia: as hitler: bad very bad] 08/20/2012 17:27. Muslim Brotherhood against journalists and judges who criticise Morsi, TV host Tawfiq Okasha is accused of insulting Islam after he broadcast the ritual execution of an apostate. President Morsi wants him banned from all TV channels. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to eliminate all anti-Islamist judges and control the Constitutional Court. Cairo (AsiaNews/Agencies) - Fearing a drop in popular support, Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood is trying to silence its critics. In the past few months, journalist Tawfiq Okasha (pictured) has been one of the loudest voices speaking out against the Brotherhood and President Mohammed al-Morsi. As a result, he has been accused of defaming the president and portraying Islam in a bad light, opening him up to attacks.

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    [EGYPT salafis criminal: murderers of sharia: as hitler: bad very bad] Okasha is a well-known TV presenter and owner of a satellite channel, Al Fara'een. He has always been a staunch critic of the Muslim Brotherhood and Salafists. In the past, he even showed a young man having his throat cut in a ritual execution for apostasy. He also went after Egypt's intelligence chief, General Abdel Fattah al-Seesy, accusing him of being a paid agent of Qatar and having favoured Morsi's election as president of Egypt. In fact, in last June's election, Morsi defeated Ahmed Shafiq, who raised doubts about the fairness of the elections since many Copts (up to half in his opinion) were not able to vote. Given his outspokenness, Okasha has been accused of slandering Islam and causing sectarian divisions, as well as uttering "intentaional falsehoods and accusations that amount to defamation and slander" against Presidetn Morsi.

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    [EGYPT salafis criminal: murderers of sharia: as hitler: bad very bad]The latter, for his part, has called for Okasha to be banned from TV. Meanwhile, Okasha is scheduled to appear in court on 1 September. In light of the atmosphere, an Egyptian NGO, the Union of Lawyers for Legal Studies, said in a statement that lawyers should defend Okasha because "Defending Okasha is defending freedom of opinion and expression, which must be guaranteed to all after the revolution, whether pro- or anti-government." At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood is trying to extend its control over the country's justice system and the courts. The new Justice Minister Ahmed Mekki, who was in favour of judicial independence during the Mubarak era, now wants to purge all Mubarak-era jurists. In his opinion, purging the judges is another step in Egypt's revolution.

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    [EGYPT salafis criminal: murderers of sharia: as hitler: bad very bad] Conversely, other observers view Mekki's plans as a way to purge anti-Islamist judges and place the court system under the control of the Muslim Brotherhood. Until now, courts have remained the only institution that has not yet bent to the will of the Brotherhood. Islamists are especially eager to clip the wings of the Constitutional Court, guilty in their view of declaring unconstitutional the Islamist-Salafist-controlled parliament, which had been elected at the start of the year. Since parliamentary and presidential elections were held, the Muslim Brotherhood has lost about 40 per cent of its support. Thus, all the moves it is currently undertaking are an attempt to maintain its absolute majority in parliament, and avoid a defeat in next year's parliamentary elections.

  • drinkYpoisonJHWHwins
    drinkYpoisonJHWHwins ha pubblicato un commento
    6 ore fa

    21/08/2012 NORTH KOREA - CHINA. Beijing "has not granted:no even: one yuan", to Kim Jong-un Visit: his gray eminence: of Pyongyang:in the Chinese capital is over, with a hole in the water. A source tells AsiaNews: "He hoped to obtain funds, he returned empty-handed. The Chinese regime: the gave a lecture: the free market and sent it back at home. I'm also tired of their excesses: North Korea. "- ANSWER -> there is a single truth! you have broken the cock to all the whole world! Pechino:"non ha concesso: nemmeno: uno yuan", a Kim Jong-un, La visita: dell'eminenza grigia: di Pyongyang: nella capitale cinese è finita, con, un buco nell'acqua. Una fonte di AsiaNews racconta: "Sperava di ottenere fondi, è tornato, a mani vuote. Il regime cinese: gli ha impartito una lezioncina: sul libero mercato: e lo ha rimandato, a casa. Sono stanchi anche loro delle intemperanze: nord coreane". -- ANSWER --> c'è, una sola verità! voi avete rotto il cazzo, a tutto il mondo!


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